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Master and Commander
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Location: Port Ludlow, WA (the Olympic Penninsula) | Subject: A Question Re: Nautilus SSN-571
From dantini: This is what happened when the Nautilus got too close to the USS Essex during some war games in 1968. I never heard anything about it. 1968 was when the Scorpion went down and that may have something to do with the lack of information. It looks like we came very close to loosing two Nuclear Subs that year. This picture came to me from an Essex crew member.
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Great Sage of the Sea
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Location: Belleview, Fl | Subject: RE: A Question Re: Nautilus SSN-571
Copied from navytogetherweserved on the submarine part of the bbs...
From ETC(SS) Rick Turner:
Well, I was on board Nautilus when the collision occurred. Fact is Nautilus was participating in "war games" with Essex, a DD, and an AO. Nautilus found the three ships refueling and commenced "attack" firing red pyro. We dove and turned left while Essex broke off refueling from the starboard side of the AO. An officer on Nautilus wanted a picture from the scope and urged the CO to come to periscope depth. Sonar missed the on-rushing Essex as we approached periscope depth. CO raised the scope and all he saw was Essex bearing down on us. CRUNCH!! We healed over on our side but quickly righted. No one was hurt. Essex sonar reported a scrapping sound.
The black and white photo is new to me - must have been taken from helo from Essex. The color shots were taken by a crew member for personal use but they were distributed to some of the crew. CO wanted all metal hanging over the port side to be cut off so that we had a better appearance when we pulled into Sub Base. The torcher was a MMC (can't remember his name) - the PO2 is Bill Putt.
The CO was relieved of command after board of inquiry.
Now I do have MORE pics of her damage but I have no clue as how to post them here
Darrin
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Great Sage of the Sea
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Location: Belleview, Fl | Subject: RE: A Question Re: Nautilus SSN-571
Chief Clear if you would please check your webmaster acct for the pics, for i am not qualified to post pics here or on anyother bbs.
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Location: Port Ludlow, WA (the Olympic Penninsula) | Subject: RE: A Question Re: Nautilus SSN-571
Here's Darrin's other pictures - pretty telling I might say!
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Senior Crew
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Location: Chunky, MS | Subject: RE: A Question Re: Nautilus SSN-571
Looks like a candy bar someone took a bite out of! |
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Darrin, Thanks so much for sharing that info with us!!!! |
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Master and Commander
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Location: Hopewell Junction NY | Subject: RE: A Question Re: Nautilus SSN-571
crystal - 2008-05-29 10:12 PM From dantini: This is what happened when the Nautilus got too close to the USS Essex during some war games in 1968. I never heard anything about it. 1968 was when the Scorpion went down and that may have something to do with the lack of information. It looks like we came very close to loosing two Nuclear Subs that year. This picture came to me from an Essex crew member.
I was serving on Sea Robin when Nautilus came and tied up at Sub Base looking like that.
I walked over to the pier to get a closer look at the damage.
It WAS NOT 1968, rather closer to 1966-67 that this happened. I was discharged in Aug 1967.
AMMENDMENT: From Nautilus web site...accident occurred November 11, 1966.
Edited by PaulR 2008-05-30 5:08 AM
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COMSUBBBS
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Location: Kansas City Missouri | Subject: RE: A Question Re: Nautilus SSN-571
This shows CO's dates of service from a Nautilus website. | CDR Francis C. Fogarty | Oct. 1963 - April 1967 | | CDR Norman E. Griggs | April 1967 - January 1970 Good job Paul, I was looking for the correct date too. |
Edited by GaryKC 2008-05-30 5:20 AM
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I was on Piper when she came in and we went to Boston for the weekend, Essex was in dry dock with a 30 plus foot hole on her port side forward, about 40 ft. from her bow Nautilus came close to a major hit. |
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Master and Commander
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Location: Tucson AZ | Subject: RE: A Question Re: Nautilus SSN-571
Frank - 2008-05-30 6:51 AMI was on Piper when she came in and we went to Boston for the weekend, Essex was in dry dock with a 30 plus foot hole on her port side forward, about 40 ft. from her bow Nautilus came close to a major hit.
Based on that observation, plus all the pics posted thus far, it's simply luck that Nautilus' entire sail wasn't decapitated. I'm betting her skipper had literal black eye (in addition to the black smudge on his record) if he observing Essex's approach when the collision occured.
I can remember hearing many a time the old saw, 'A collision at sea can ruin your whole day.' It's the truth. BTDT
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Great Sage of the Sea
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Location: Belleview, Fl | Subject: RE: A Question Re: Nautilus SSN-571
Your welcome for the pics, I was shocked and horrified when I saw them on another bbs: www.navytogetherweserved and if you would like an invite to it I will be more then happy to send you an invitation and they have one hell of a data base of shipmates, I have run into a number of mine on there that I haven't seen or heard from in years.
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Old Salt
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Location: San Freakcisco CA area | Subject: RE: A Question Re: Nautilus SSN-571
If the posted dates are correct, Frank Fogarty was the CO at the time. I served with Frank in the Pentagon afterwards and recall that he made captain before he retired.
He was in OP-31 and I was in OP-92 and we worked together quite closely for about 2 years. I knew that he had a CO tour in NAUTILUS but don't recall hearing about this particular incident from him or anyone else.
I clearly remember another very serious incident involving NAUTILUS in late 68/early 69 timeframe and had to carry flash messages up to the VCNO who was ADM Horatio Rivero at the time. The incident I'm recalling did not include a US CVA, however ...
My point is that one doesn't get relieved of command and then make that 4th gold stripe very often - if at all -- I have to wonder whether the timing for this incident is correct in the posts??? Is there any chance it was in late 62/early 63 instead? Or perhaps after Frank's successor was in command - which would track a bit closer to my recollection of the "other" incident.
Edited by SOB490 2008-05-31 6:57 PM
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Old Salt
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Location: Saco, Maine | Subject: RE: A Question Re: Nautilus SSN-571
Nope- 68-69 time frame. |
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Master and Commander
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Location: Hopewell Junction NY | Subject: RE: A Question Re: Nautilus SSN-571
John Bay - 2008-06-01 7:48 AMNope- 68-69 time frame.
John, I got out in Aug of 1967 and during my time on Sea Robin I watched Nautilus tie up and I walked over to the pier for a closer look at her. Later they draped tarps over her sail.
68-69 in not correct. I'll stand by my post that 11NOV 1966 is the correct date of the incident.
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Master and Commander
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Location: Hopewell Junction NY | Subject: RE: A Question Re: Nautilus SSN-571
Bill, I have no idea who was CO at the time, but I was pretty sure of the timeframe of the incident and then located this site which put a date on it. There is noting there about a later incident in 1968...maybe classified???
As for it being late 62-early 63, no. I did not report to Sea Robin until 23NOV 1963.
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Old Salt
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Location: San Freakcisco CA area | Subject: RE: A Question Re: Nautilus SSN-571
>>>There is noting there about a later incident in 1968...maybe classified???
It sure was at the time - so now everyone can pretty well figure out what happened. It was one of "those messages" that had to be hand-carried, delivered in-person, and then wait while it was read - no in/out box treatment, even for the VCNO.
Probably different incidents, but I'm still at a loss over Frank Fogarty making captain -- It had to be the CO on either side of him for the incident that the posts/photos involve. |
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Old Salt
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Location: Saco, Maine | Subject: RE: A Question Re: Nautilus SSN-571
PaulR - 2008-06-01 7:11 AM
John Bay - 2008-06-01 7:48 AMNope- 68-69 time frame. John, I got out in Aug of 1967 and during my time on Sea Robin I watched Nautilus tie up and I walked over to the pier for a closer look at her. Later they draped tarps over her sail. 68-69 in not correct. I'll stand by my post that 11NOV 1966 is the correct date of the incident.
Yep. I misread your post. I was there in '66-67 so it probably was.
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Master and Commander
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Location: Patterson, New York | Subject: RE: A Question Re: Nautilus SSN-571
Very interesting thread. This is really sub related. |
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Great Sage of the Sea
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Location: Port Orchard WA | Subject: RE: A Question Re: Nautilus SSN-571
first things in a goggle search using Nasutilus Essex Collison It was on the 1966 Bermuda trip that we got involved in a life changing event for most of us. During a "war game", the Nautilus was run over by the aircraft carrier USS Essex. It was not fun! (Click here to see some photos) The Owl cartoon was born. His first appearance as a cartoon was taking booze intravenously after the collision. After we limped back to New London, we reacquired the owl and returned him to his spot in Maneuvering. He was a veteran of a patrol and a shipmate. Needless to say, the Owl was the mascot of the electricians. | November 11, 1966 | 350 miles east of Morehead City, NC | USS NAUTILUS (SSN 571) collides with the USS ESSEX while running submerged during underway replenishment exercises. Both ships return to port unassisted. The submarine receives extensive damage to its sail area and goes to New London, CT. The ESSEX sustains an open hull cut in the bow area and proceeds to Norfolk, Va. |
http://www.navysite.de/index.htm good place to find lots of things about each ship | CDR Francis C. Fogarty | Oct. 1963 - April 1967 |
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I served on Nautilus from March, 1963 until April 3, 1967. the collision with Essex occurred in early November, 1966. The exact date was probaby a day or two earlier than Nov 11, 1966. The crew of the Nautilus was at battle stations when the collision occurred. I was the diving officer at the time of the collision.
The circumstances of the collision are as follows; We were conducting war games with an ASW TASK FORCE consisting of Essex, other surface ships and ASW Aircraft. We went to balttle stations about 0700. we had conducted two or three exercises and had successfully "sunk" the Essex suring these exercises. Essex requested one last run before we broke off the exercises and headed home.
We started a submerged run against Essex by going deep and running parallel to what we had calculated as Essex's coarse so we would be forward of Essex and have a simple beam shot at Essex. We came to periscope depth and discovered that Essex was much closer than we had anticipated. Frank Fogarty immediately ordered "flood Negative, full dive". His quick action and the fact we had a negative tank probably saved the ship.
The board of inquiry found no one, including CDR Fogarty, at fault. CDR Fogarty continued as commanding officer until he was relieved of duty in a formal change of command ceremony on April 3, 1967. Commanding Officers who are relieved for cause are anot relieved of command at formal change of command ceremonies. coincidentially, I left the Nautilus on the same day, April 3, 1967, as CDR Fogarty. I was released from active duty on April 5, 1967.
Lt. Gene Weaver
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Great Sage of the Sea
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Location: Minot, Maine | Subject: RE: A Question Re: Nautilus SSN-571
PaulR - 2008-06-01 9:11 AM
John Bay - 2008-06-01 7:48 AMNope- 68-69 time frame. John, I got out in Aug of 1967 and during my time on Sea Robin I watched Nautilus tie up and I walked over to the pier for a closer look at her. Later they draped tarps over her sail. 68-69 in not correct. I'll stand by my post that 11NOV 1966 is the correct date of the incident.
I now concur. I think I was in sub school when it happened, which would have put it late 66. |
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Mess cooking
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I was aboard the USS Salamonie AO26 when this happended, I was on deck on phone with Essex when breakaway was ordered . Quite the exciting day I must say!
This is from the official history of the USS Salamonie AO 26:
During a refueling on 10 November there were a few tense moments while refueling the aircraft carrier USS ESSEX CVS-9. The submarine USS NAUTILUS SSN-571 collided with the keel of the carrier. An emergency breakaway was immediately initiated. After the ships had safely cleared each other, it was determined that there had been no one seriously injured.
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Mess cooking
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http://salamonie.homestead.com/DetailedHistory.html |
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Plankowner
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Location: Upper lefthand corner of the map. | Subject: Welcome Aboard
I would like to Welcome these two new posters to the board. I'm glad you a re taking the time to read the archive of this insane asylum. |
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Master and Commander
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Location: East Coast of Wisconsin | Subject: RE: A Question Re: Nautilus SSN-571
Super cool, Ken
I can slightly link with the narrative. We also had tender availability at USS Vulcan (AR-5) in Newport during 52-3. Of course being a oil burner, USS Thuban (AKA-190 was fueled more than once at sea by an AO. Don't particularly remember AO-26 but maybe.
Thanks for a great URL.
And welcome aboard.
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Master and Commander
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Location: Patterson, New York | Subject: RE: A Question Re: Nautilus SSN-571
The name of the AO sounded familiar to me.
Then I got to this passage in the 1943 section:
"The 12th of February 1943 was a "red letter day" for SALAMONIE.
NOTE: "Red letter day" is a strange description for a tragic event. As part of
eastbound convoy UGF-5, she was under tactical command of Commander Task Force
36 and was acting as primary refueling ship for convoy escorts. SALMONIE was leader of column seven in the seven-column formation, and had on her port bow USAT URUGUAY, lead ship in column six. Little did anyone dream that SALAMONIE was destined for a midnight tragedy.
Zero one hundred was the time scheduled for ceasing the zigzag maneuvers. Promptly at the appointed time, the Officer of the Deck ordered the helmsman to put his helm right and return to base course. At this time the rudder jammed eight degrees left, and could not be freed by any emergency measures. The situation deteriorated rapidly with SALAMONIE shearing to port and the rest of the formation altering course in the opposite direction. Danger signals and TBS were used in attempts to ward off the dangerous situation, but to no avail. SALAMONIE rammed SS URUGUAY on her starboard side, just abaft the bridge. After inspections of the resulting damage, both ships were detached from the formation and ordered to proceed to Bermuda for temporary repairs."
My father was an engineer on the SS Uruguay when this collision occured; the troop ship was in extreme danger until it made port in Bermuda. The captain was awarded a citation for bringing the ship, crew, and troops safely to port.
Small world. |
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Location: Renton, WA | Subject: RE: Welcome Aboard
Yes indeed - welcome aboard to Gene and Frank. Most interesting thread in a long time! |
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Mess cooking
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Thank You |
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Mess cooking
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We had two collisions ourselves while I served aboard the Salamonie involving the USS Wasp and the USS Rush ,refuel at sea could be pretty exciting at times. 
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A Question Re: Nautilus SSN-571
